I hate blogging about immigration. It's a minefield. Almost any opinion is likely to attract accusations from one direction or another. I don't subscribe to the BNP "foreigners taking our jobs" theory. Nor do I share the Guardianista view that our country's culture is so disgusting that it can only be improved by foreigners.

Far from "taking our jobs", many immigrants are doing the jobs "we" would rather sit on our fat chav behinds than do. The Labour heartlands where I grew up contain an archipelago of idleness, funded by disability, unemployment and other benefits, insurance fraud, fake personal injury claims, drug dealing and other crimes.

Unless we are prepared to take measures so drastic as to be politically unthinkable, I am afraid we have to accept that our enormous underclass will now do anything but work. There are now third-generation idlers who don't even know anyone with a job. They are sanctified as "the most vulnerable members of our society" and indeed there are some such amongst them - held up rather like the photos of "martyrs" at a march of Islamic fascists, as justification for future crimes.

So we need immigrants. Hard-working immigrants who will do essential jobs to make our country livable. Immigrants who will appreciate what a free society has to offer.

Hundreds of thousands of migrant workers have arrived in recent years from new EU members, notably Poland. The proportion of social security claimants amongst those migrant workers puts our native population to shame.

The same will be true of the Bulgarians, Croats, Serbians and Romanians when their time comes. If we need migrant workers - temporary or permanent (and most of these people would prefer to live in their own more polite and civilised countries if they could, so many will eventually go home) - then the EU is finally providing us with a benefit for our massive membership fee.

So why has Labour admitted over a million immigrants from non-EU countries? Why has it done so without questioning their motives or their objectives? Why is it continuing to do so even when it has become apparent that a dangerously significant minority of those immigrants not only don't share our basic values but despise them? Even after, in their self-imposed apartheid, they have bred British citizens so primitively fanatical as to murder by suicide bombing, Labour continues to admit them.

This is not a question of racism. Many non-EU immigrants from Hong Kong, India and elsewhere make a superb contribution to our country. So far from finding us so racist and hostile as to alienate them and justify terrorism, they have rolled up their sleeves and got down to work. Their children have the highest rates of educational achievement. No excuses from them, and no complaints from us. They are welcome. However, it is time for "profiling" not just of airline passengers waiting in line for security checks, but of immigrants waiting in line to come to our country. To the extent that the New Europe can't supply the skilled workers we need, we should take them from the countries that have the best history of providing productive, law-abiding, and well-integrated citizens to date.

And that - call it racism if you will - precludes any further immigration from the Islamic world. One does not have to be a paranoid who suspects them of following their false prophet's advice to infiltrate infidel nations to say this. One just has to use common sense. No more immigrants from communities whose leaders advocate, justify or excuse terrorism. No more immigrants from communities which don't share our views on female equality, religious tolerance or minority rights.

What has been done so far already puts our society in mortal danger. But it is never too late to start fighting back.

I don't blame the immigrants themselves -I blame greedy firms who are happy to import cheaper migrant labour and this Labour government who are happy to import cheap votes.We're the fourth most densely populated country in the world -we just can't cope with any further immigration.

The Government's much used line about - hard working immigrants doing the work that 'lazy' Brits won't do- is a lie. Yes, there is a small percentage of Britons who choose not to work- there always has been.
But millions of our own people either cannot find work or have recently found themselves out of work due to the final destruction of our country's manufacturing base, employers importing cheaper labour or their jobs being 'offshored' to India or the Far East etc. It is disgusting that this government first betrays British workers -then insults them.

So, no I don't blame immigrants - I blame politicians and their greedy business friends.

We may be the fourth most densely populated country in the world but only 12% of our land is developed. Also our urban areas are rather lightly populated compared to many. If London was as densely populated as Paris you could get 4m more people in the same area. If it was as densley populated as Manhattan you could get even more.

There IS plenty of room for more people, it's just a question of whether we want to use it or not.

As for the EU deciding our immigration policy, this is simply not true for non-EU migrants, it is all Westminster. Personally I would much rather have the immigrants who are hard-working and entrepreneurial rather than lazy buggers who think that they are owed a living.

Frankly Red-Squirrel, your agenda of protectionism is never going to work either, this countries prosperity has always been built on free trade and innovation and cutting ourselves off from that to protect a few factories would be a disaster for the UK. Yes, manufacturing has contracted but there are far more jobs today than ever before and they pay more too, unskilled workers might lose out but they just need to get skills, end of story.

Life moves on, no employment is going to last forever, workers haven't been betrayed, on the contrary, most people in this country have never been better off. Why should that be risked just to please some guy who wants his grandson to be going down the same pit all his life just like his own great-uncle Egbert did in the 1920s?

So what do we do then Jonesy .... destroy our greenbelts, concrete over our countyside and dehumanize our cities even more by cramming in millions of extra dwellings?

Churchill once said that Britain was overcrowded - and that was fifty years ago.

I too welcome hard working inmmigrants - just as long they do not put a British worker out of a job by undercuttiing him.

I agree -there seems to be a few too many home-grown lazy buggers out there who quite frankly, are in need a boot up the backside. But they don't all belong to this so-called underclass. When I worked in London a couple of years back, I couldn't move for bone-idle middle class 'bohemians' - in other words, dossers.The upper classes has more than it's share of idle gits too.

We hear the line about "Hard working migrants and lazy British workers" quite alot lately - (nothing like kicking your fellow countryman when he's down, eh?) But ask yourself - how secure is your job? Is there a chance that it could also be 'outsourced' or done cheaper by a migrant worker? These days cheaper skilled labour is just as easy to find as unskilled.
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Here's some FAQs on the Migration Watch website http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/faqs.asp

I don't think Paris, New York or Hong Kong are any more inhuman than Liverpool, Leicester or Glasgow just because they are more densely populated, in fact they are all richer and I would think they are considered more desirable places to live by most people. As I said though, there is no definite level where a country becomes "overcrowded", it's simply a matter of taste and opinion. Personally I wouldn't like to see huge swathes of greenbelt go but I'd be happy to see more densley populated towns and cities. Give me vibrant, exciting Hong Kong over bland, suburban Milton Keynes any day!

Of course my job could probably be outsourced or done cheaper by somebody else, it's hardly the end of the world though, this country is full of opportunities for those who want to take them, that's why so many people want to come here. And opportunities are not just limited to the UK either, these days it's easier than ever to take advantage of life in other countries too if we want to.

If you "ban" immigrants from undercutting British workers, the likelihood is that our industry will just become less competitive and companies will up sticks all together and go to a cheaper country. Fortunately we are still creating lots of jobs where price is not the only factor and we are actually doing pretty well as a country.

We are not going to hold back the tide of globalisation (unless we want to turn into North Korea but I don't think that's a great model to be following) so we might as well make the best of it. Yes, that means change and sometimes that can be uncomfortable for some but most people are getting better off because of it and people have more chances and options in life than they did in my parents or grandparents generation by a long way.

As a proud Brit you should surely be pleased that the systems of free trade and capitalism that we in this country did so much to promote and spread are now sweeping across the entire world!

OK, I have too. I agree that immigration shouldn't be taboo but if people put forward views that I disagree with, I'm always going to say why I disagree with them and if I think their facts are wrong i'll say so too.

Just sitting back and looking at everyone squabbling politically speaks volumes to me regarding selfish consensus. Clearly some people have mind-set agendas on here, which is their entitlement. The question I was asking was is it time for profiling people who come into the country?

I reckon the Australian model is one of the best:

Got no skills to offer us?
Got criminal convictions?
You're going to be more of a burden than a help to us?

Sorry sport, you ain't coming in!

The Australians could be right Red Squirrel. But who would want to end up in Aus ? Fair Dinkum !

Taken from the Express:
It took a broadcaster as distinguished as Sir Trevor – himself a migrant to these shores –to anchor a programme setting out the ways large scale immigration is changing Britain.

Sir Trevor is the personification of how immigration, when properly managed, can bring immense benefits. There are many other people from the ethnic minorities who have integrated well and made huge contributions to British life. But immigration into Britain has become uncontrolled, chaotic and disastrous.

We have accepted people from countries which do not respect women or democracy, lack a work ethic and have no history of civic order.

And we have not made clear that we value these things and expect incomers to observe them. Uncontrolled immigration is doing immense damage to almost every facet of British life.

Here are 20 reasons why it must stop.


1) Murder. Police estimate that almost half the murders in London are committed within new ethnic groups. It is much the same in our other major cities. Somalis, Tamils, Kosovans and Kurds are among those on a killing spree.

2) Kidnapping. A sinister crime growth area, most kidnaps in Britain are perpetrated by ethnic minorities. Chinese “Snakehead” gangs lead the way.

3) Dangerous driving. Young uninsured immigrants are responsible for an epidemic of accidents. Peterborough rose from 376th to 7th in the table for accidents involving uninsured drivers after an influx of 16,000 Eastern Europeans.

4) Tuberculosis. A generation ago this deadly disease had almost been eradicated from Britain. Now it is commonplace thanks to uncontrolled immigration from Asia, Africa and Eastern Europe. Cases have doubled in London in 12 years.

5) No respect for free speech. The filming of the novel Brick Lane has been moved because local Muslims decreed its message unacceptable and threatened violence. In December 2004, Sikhs in Birmingham stoned a theatre which was showing Bezhti, a play about violence within their community. Shamefully, they succeeded in closing it down.

6) Honour killing. A new poll shows 10 per cent of young British Asians support this barbaric practice. Officially there are around a dozen honour killings a year in Britain but women’s groups believe the true figure is far higher.

7) HIV. Most new sexually transmitted HIV cases in Britain can be traced to immigrants from southern Africa. Treatment costs British taxpayers £300 million a year.

8) The housing shortage. Each year Britain imports at least 250,000 people net. They have to live somewhere. The richest buy houses which would otherwise be available to Britons. The poorest jump the queue for social housing. British families are the losers.

9) Terrorism. The head of Scotland Yard’s anti-terrorism branch has revealed the number of Islamic extremists who have to be monitored is now “in the thousands”. Last year more than 50 people were murdered in London by Islamic terrorists, one of whom was an immigrant, the other three second generation British Pakistanis. Ancient civil liberties are being sacrificed to give the police new powers in the war on terror.

10) Electoral fraud. Corrupt politics of the Indian subcontinent have been imported into our inner cities. People are having their right to vote stolen by self-appointed community “elders” who rig postal ballots for councillors and even MPs. Richard Mawrey QC told an election court two years ago that ballot rigging in two wards of Birmingham “would have disgraced a banana republic”.

11) Child trafficking. The tragic case of Victoria Climbie highlighted the practice within African families of sending children to Britain, often into the care of unsuitable distant relatives with primitive beliefs in evil spirits. Our much-maligned and overworked social workers are now expected to keep track of thousands of children from the Third World, leaving fewer resources for protecting vulnerable British children.

12) Financial fraud. When he was Home Secretary, Charles Clarke told me that “Nigerian fraudsters” were the second biggest category of foreign inmates in UK prisons.

13) Drugs. Mr Clarke added that they were second only to “Jamaican drug dealers”. It has emerged that up to one in seven UK prisoners is a foreigner.

14) Street crime. Certain ethnic groups are massively overrepresented among street gangs. As Deputy Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, Sir Ian Blair caused a storm by revealing 63 per cent of mugging victims said their attackers were black youths.

15) Rape. Anecdotal evidence suggests a disproportionate number of rapes are being committed by foreign nationals. Rapes by unlicensed minicab drivers are a major category of sexual offending. It should come as no surprise that young men from cultures which do not respect women are more prone to committing sexual assaults.

16) Sharia law. Muslim activists want Sharia law to rank above British law for family issues. In the case of 12-year old Molly Campbell, unlawfully taken from her British mother last week, this is what is happening. A Sharia court in Pakistan is hearing her case. This is an outrage.

17) Schools. British children in state schools are having their education inhibited by influxes of children who do not speak English or who are brutalised and uncontrollable.

18) Welfare reform. Importing cheap labour has resulted in ministers ignoring the need to get some of the millions out of work back into the labour force.

19) Wages. Many hard-working Britons have had their livelihoods taken from them after being undercut by foreign workers without families to support.

20) Community. In many parts of Britain, people feel like strangers in their own land because of immigrant numbers. Community spirit is undermined.

Ahh.... the diversity! Salopians must feel so deprived - Though I'm sure our government will be doing all that it can to bring such enrichment to our lives ;)

I have to agree with you Red Squirrel. I can't think of a single instance when an immigrant has enriched my life. I think that the pendulam has swung too far and that we are now in danger of being swamped by undesirables from abroad. I just don't understand why this government continues to allow this level of immigration. I think it will all end in tears. There is an almost palpable anger amongst the people i speak to now. I am sick of the government appeasing Muslims whilst punishing any indiginous person for saying the same sort of thing about Islam. I used to think of myself as a tolerant and forgiving sort of guy but i have reached the end of my tether. We can't carry on appeasing these people. We give an inch and they take a mile. It's time to stand up, grow a set of balls and take back the ground that this lilly livered government has given away. There is a storm brewing ladies and gentlemen and i fear that the stormfront is almost upon us.

Hello John -welcome to the forum! I know exactly what mean - Immigration now appears to concern more people than ever before. I've lost count of how many times I've heard the subject being discussed lately.
Of course this is a good thing too - because it shows that people are now refusing to be straight-jacketed by 'political correctness' ( cultural Marxism) and are at last prepared to speak their minds on this subject.
Does this make these people racists? No -the old 'racist' tag is now meaningless because the most recent waves of migrants come mainly from Europe.There must be plenty of British-born Black and Asian people who share these concerns too.
After all, many of them are facing exactly the same problems due to cheaper migrant workers swamping the labour market, immigrant crime, etc.

Personally, I like living in a diverse country. I know plenty of foreign born people who are living here and they are all perfectly decent people whom I am happy to live amongst. None of them are murdering drunk drivers, corrupt raping junkies or diseased gangsters. I would rather believe my own eyes and experiences rather than believe the scaremongering propaganda of the Daily Mail or the BNP.

If people really feel this hostile to different ethnic groups and want rid of them, they have the choice to vote BNP and end it all. We'll see if they do shall we?

1) Murder. Police estimate that almost half the murders in London are committed within new ethnic groups. It is much the same in our other major cities. Somalis, Tamils, Kosovans and Kurds are among those on a killing spree.

2) Kidnapping. A sinister crime growth area, most kidnaps in Britain are perpetrated by ethnic minorities. Chinese “Snakehead” gangs lead the way.

3) Dangerous driving. Young uninsured immigrants are responsible for an epidemic of accidents. Peterborough rose from 376th to 7th in the table for accidents involving uninsured drivers after an influx of 16,000 Eastern Europeans.

4) Tuberculosis. A generation ago this deadly disease had almost been eradicated from Britain. Now it is commonplace thanks to uncontrolled immigration from Asia, Africa and Eastern Europe. Cases have doubled in London in 12 years.

5) No respect for free speech. The filming of the novel Brick Lane has been moved because local Muslims decreed its message unacceptable and threatened violence. In December 2004, Sikhs in Birmingham stoned a theatre which was showing Bezhti, a play about violence within their community. Shamefully, they succeeded in closing it down.

6) Honour killing. A new poll shows 10 per cent of young British Asians support this barbaric practice. Officially there are around a dozen honour killings a year in Britain but women’s groups believe the true figure is far higher.

7) HIV. Most new sexually transmitted HIV cases in Britain can be traced to immigrants from southern Africa. Treatment costs British taxpayers £300 million a year.

8) The housing shortage. Each year Britain imports at least 250,000 people net. They have to live somewhere. The richest buy houses which would otherwise be available to Britons. The poorest jump the queue for social housing. British families are the losers.

9) Terrorism. The head of Scotland Yard’s anti-terrorism branch has revealed the number of Islamic extremists who have to be monitored is now “in the thousands”. Last year more than 50 people were murdered in London by Islamic terrorists, one of whom was an immigrant, the other three second generation British Pakistanis. Ancient civil liberties are being sacrificed to give the police new powers in the war on terror.

10) Electoral fraud. Corrupt politics of the Indian subcontinent have been imported into our inner cities. People are having their right to vote stolen by self-appointed community “elders” who rig postal ballots for councillors and even MPs. Richard Mawrey QC told an election court two years ago that ballot rigging in two wards of Birmingham “would have disgraced a banana republic”.

11) Child trafficking. The tragic case of Victoria Climbie highlighted the practice within African families of sending children to Britain, often into the care of unsuitable distant relatives with primitive beliefs in evil spirits. Our much-maligned and overworked social workers are now expected to keep track of thousands of children from the Third World, leaving fewer resources for protecting vulnerable British children.

12) Financial fraud. When he was Home Secretary, Charles Clarke told me that “Nigerian fraudsters” were the second biggest category of foreign inmates in UK prisons.

13) Drugs. Mr Clarke added that they were second only to “Jamaican drug dealers”. It has emerged that up to one in seven UK prisoners is a foreigner.

14) Street crime. Certain ethnic groups are massively overrepresented among street gangs. As Deputy Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, Sir Ian Blair caused a storm by revealing 63 per cent of mugging victims said their attackers were black youths.

15) Rape. Anecdotal evidence suggests a disproportionate number of rapes are being committed by foreign nationals. Rapes by unlicensed minicab drivers are a major category of sexual offending. It should come as no surprise that young men from cultures which do not respect women are more prone to committing sexual assaults.

16) Sharia law. Muslim activists want Sharia law to rank above British law for family issues. In the case of 12-year old Molly Campbell, unlawfully taken from her British mother last week, this is what is happening. A Sharia court in Pakistan is hearing her case. This is an outrage.

17) Schools. British children in state schools are having their education inhibited by influxes of children who do not speak English or who are brutalised and uncontrollable.

18) Welfare reform. Importing cheap labour has resulted in ministers ignoring the need to get some of the millions out of work back into the labour force.

19) Wages. Many hard-working Britons have had their livelihoods taken from them after being undercut by foreign workers without families to support.

20) Community. In many parts of Britain, people feel like strangers in their own land because of immigrant numbers. Community spirit is undermined.

http://www.met.police.uk/wanted/

The above is based on official police stats - not Daily Mail or BNP propaganda.
Of course most foreign born people are probably decent types but there's no denying a disproportionately high number of them are not.

My main gripe is that this country is being swamped by immigrants of all description - migrant workers, illegals, 'asylum-seekers' et all. Criminals or not - it's time to shut the door.

Out of interest Jonesy what is it about these 'diverse' areas of Britain that you find so appealing? Do you feel that a mono-cultural county such as Shropshire would benefit from a large helping of 'enrichment'?

Thanks for the welcome Red Squirrel. I would like to point out before anyone accuses me that i am not a member of the British National Party. I have to say however that having read their manifesto i agree with about 60% of it. I honestly think that the government have made a terrible mistake in letting in all these immigrants and asylum seekers. I have nothing against people of other cultures coming here to live as long as they a, have a skill or trade that this country needs and b, they swear allegiance to The Crown.

We are now in the position in this country where we have a huge section of the Muslim community who consider themselves Muslims first and whose only loyalty is to Islam. I do not know what the answer is to this. I just think that we now have enough foriegners here. It's time we stopped pandering to people of other faiths and cultures and started looking after our own folk.

If we must have immigration then lets have the same sort of system that they have in Australia, Canada and New Zealand.


This is a small island with finite limited resources. The population is approaching 61 million now. How many more people can we absorb before we reach meltdown?I was sitting in a traffic jam on the M6 last Sunday and the thought struck me that what we really need in this country is another 5 million inhabitants. We can't even supply water in the Thames water area due to overpopulation and leaking pipes. The infrastucture of this country is creaking at the seams now. God knows what it will be like in another 10 to 15 years.

So you would kick out the 95% of perfectly good people just to get rid of the criminals. A disproportionately high number of crimes are committed by poor people and people with low educational qualifications, does this mean that it would be a good idea to kick out all people with low incomes or without many GCSEs? Why not just disallow immigration from convicted criminals and deport any non-citizens who commit crimes?

I like diversity because I find discovering different cultures fun, i enjoy seeing a Diwali celebration just as I enjoy going to Guy Fawkes celebrations, I like drinking Gluhwein at European Christmas markets and I like eating British Xmas puddings. I enjoy cooking and like going to the chinese supermarkets in Manchester chinatown to look t all the strange looking foodstuffs and maybe buy some to try out, I like watching the new year celebrations when I'm there too.

I like the 'buzz' that many multi-national areas have. one of my friends lives in Dalston, East London and I just like walking around the market and seeing all the different people in different clothes and hearing all the different languages. I'm interested in languages and linguistics in general so it's fun to talk to people from different backgrounds and learn about where they come from and tell them aout where i'm from. I've had several foreign born friends from the cities that i've brought to Shropshire to show around and it's a good feeling when they enjoy what they see here when before they'd never even heard of the place.

I don't think there's anything to be scared of just because somebody is born in a different country, we have our traditions, they have others, they can generally exist side by side and it adds to the cultural richness of these islands in my opinion.

Shropshire is maybe not quite as monocultural as it at first appears, there are lots of foreign language students from East Asia, foreign nurses from the phillipines and South Africa, a growing number of East Europeans working in agriculture and elsewhere. I know several people who've come from countries such as Romania, Germany, Japan, the US, Turkey who've worked as volunteers at a local school for blind and disabled children. There are also of course Scottish, Irish and of course Welsh people and people from other very different parts of England who all add to the mix. I don't see any problems these people have caused in Shrewsbury and don't see why they should be rudely kicked out of the country when they have done nothing to warrant it.

I've lived as a temporary immigrant and worker in a couple of places and was treated very well by the local people in both countries. I wouldn't like to think that we as British people wouldn't do the same for others.

I think it's worth noting at this point that the foreign born population of Australia, New Zealand and Canada is a much higher proportion than it is here. The same can be said for many European countries, Switzerland and Luxembourg especially. Even Germany has a significantly higher foreign born population than we have.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1312



www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?id=402

"Why not just disallow immigration from convicted criminals and deport any non-citizens who commit crimes?"
Yes I could quite happily live with that - but like I've said already, cheaper migrant labour shouldn't be brought in to undercut British workers.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/st...,958380,00.html

Australia has much better immigration controls than Britain - like Canada it's a far bigger country and more likely to have a genuine shortage of skilled labour.

It looks like Sweden is suffering from similar problems that 'diversity' brings. http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=2683&date=20051214

I think watching the thread I know now, how wars start!

Some stubborn and dare I say racist views written. It does worry me what is going to happen at the apparent 'free for all 'John Bingham proports too! 'allegiance to the crown' Circumstance and pomp. The monarchy are just a tourist attraction John! You need to realise we are a multicultural soceity. Get used to it it will not change unless some authoritarian state takes over perhaps you want that John, I personally dont. We need to learn to live with each other, clearly some people, and I hope they are the minority, cant. You seem to paint muslim people in a poor light, there not all to blame. I am just as embarrassed by extremist organisations in the uk like the national front, EBF, WBF. Fortunately the majority of intelligent people do not agree with their activities

What war Andy? - All I've done is state facts and put my views forward in a calm and rational manner.
I fail to see anything racist in my posts.

No, we don't live in a 'multicultural' society. When the boss of the C.R.E Tevor Phillips (a man who's made a fortune by attempting to promote this doomed experiment) even states that multiculturalism has failed - then there's no chance that anyone living in a safe, leafy, monocultural county such as Shropshire is going to convince me that it's worked.

It's easy to sing the praises of 'multiculturalism' when you're living a million miles away from it.

Metophorical my dear red squirrel youre so feisty ! I live in shropshire work in London my dear boy ! Do you feel guilty did I say you were being racist. Monkey see monkey do?

I've also worked in London - and I know from first hand experience that there's a big difference between living and working in the place.
If diverse and multicultural London is so wonderful then why are 100,000 people fleeing the place every year? Why are there so many Londoners running away to bland 'unhealthily white' Shropshire, I wonder?
Because of this exodus, thousands of new homes are planned to be built here in Shropshire. I for one don't want to see the destruction of my home county, where generations of my family have lived and worked. They have also sacrificed their lives for it.

I find it bizarre that some people here write about how much they love Shropshire - yet fail to grasp the fact that this great county will in time be destroyed forever due to uncontrolled immigration.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../07/nhome07.xml

Parhaps you need to campaign for a seat in parliament 'Red' squirrell. I wonder which Party would have you?

Andy, nowhere in my post did i refer to a ' free for all '. I am glad that you enjoy living in a multicultural society. I just want to live in peace amongst my own indigineous people. I don't think all Muslims are bad at all. I am not advocating armed resistance. The answer lies in a political solution. I don't want to see immigration stopped altogether. I would just like to see the bar raised higher as it were. This country can no longer keep absorbing asylum seekers and other economic immigrants. It's time to say 'no thanks, try France' to all asylum seekers. I am not a huge fan of the Monarchy but i prefer the Monarchy to the corrupt and incompetent bunch of idiots that we have in charge of the country at the moment. Political parties come and go and the sooner that NuLabour go the better. If things don't change soon the backlash when it comes may be brutal. This country will be the first country in the world to commit suicide through uncontrolled immigration.

Then I should fall on the sword John !

Did you read my comments at the start of this thread?

Andy, i have to admit that i did not read your comments on the start of this thread. I am in agreement with you over most of what you say. If we are to continue having immigration then let us choose immigrants who are compatible with our way of life and our culture. The problem with the mainstream political parties is that they know that immigration and asylum seekers are causing unease and concern amongst a vast body of the electorate. The problem is that none of the mainstream parties dares do anything about it for fear of being judged ' rascist '. It's the 'Elephant in the Room' syndrome. We all know it's there but everyone tries to ignore it.

At the very least we should halt all further immigration from Islamic countries. I think the Islamic community in this country should think long and hard about what their future is here. The vast majority of them in my opinion seem to want to live among their own kind in Muslim ghettoes. In their view there is only one true God and one true religion. They are right and everyone else is wrong. I think they will only ever be happy once this country submits to Islam. I think we have about 40 years left before it happens. Once Islam is established here you can forget every law ever passed. Man made law is no law under Islam. It will be a brutal and an unforgiving society. I have no wish to see my grandchildren living in a Dhimmi state. In the past, wars have been fough to defend our way of life from brutal dictatorships and tyrants. They will seem as nothing when the green flag of Islam is flying over 10 Downing Street.

Muslims make up about 3% of the population don't they? I wouldn't get carried away with all this 'Islamic state' nonsense.

Like many British people, I'm deeply concerned about issues such as immigration, the E.U, law and order and the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm just an ordinary bloke with strong opinions.I've never been afraid to speak my mind or to give a straight, truthful answer.
... so I doubt any of the 'old gang' political parties would have me.

My feelings when I set up this thread were rather than say to anyone interested in entering this country'go -away' I felt everyone should be profiled. The system of immigration control in the U.K. has in the past been very laid back to say the least. I really wanted to know what people thought about profiling a person and if it could work ? You will always have illegal immigrants who obviously slip the net but at least a profile on the person entering our contry would go some way to regulating the influx of people who dont meet certain criteria

It's 3% at the moment. Would you still be complacent if it was only 15%? How about when the Muslim Community reaches 30%? Muslims are outbreeding us almost 3 to 1. If you think that Muslims are pissed off now and that a good proportion of them think that the 7/7 suicide bombings were justified how do you think they are going to behave when they are ten times the population that they are now? I don't think all Muslims are a security threat but i do think that a large proportion of them truly hate this country.

Jonesy, If there's one subject in need of an open and honest debate, it's Islam. I think most people realize that the majority of muslims are decent, peaceful people - but the minority of hardline followers is by no means a small one.
There are at least 3,000 terrorist trained Islamists living in Britain and they are backed up 300,000 sympathisers. - Remember, it only took a handful of terrorists to pull off 9/11 and 7/7.

I am not anti-muslim -I'm not even anti Islam as such, I just recognise that Islam is quite hardline by it's very nature.
Most Britons agree- http://news.aol.co.uk/most-brits-fear-isla...825032109990001

That 3% figure isn't very reassuring - In fact it makes me feel more afraid. Because if our political masters are prepared to pander so much to Islam at this present moment in time - I dread to think what things will be like when that 3% becomes 6% and so on.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...wsecurity29.xml

Although I personally believe that we do not need any further immigration - at least not on a mass scale,
I feel that profiling would-be immigrants sounds much better than the current system we have- which is utter crud.
Like I've said before, we could do alot worse than follow the Aussie's example.

Well, Australia is only 1% Muslim but it does have the world's most populous muslim country immediately to the north with 230 million waiting to invade!

If a section of that 1% in Australia already feels confident enough to flex it's muscle now - what will the demands be in about 10 years time? http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20331211-2,00.html

Kangaroos wearing burqas? Whatever next? We're going to hell in a handcart I tell you! [grabs Daily Mail]

Ramadan Street? .. Emu Hamza.. wombats in combats .. Waltzing Maleeha? - No, I think the Aussie spirit maybe a bit too strong to be dhimmified - at the moment. If John Howard's recent remarks are anything to go by, Australia couldn't give a Castlemain XXXX about their demands.