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avronb - July 29, 2006 07:36 PM (GMT)
People attending Cof E churches seems to be falling,while other religions ,ie Muslim is on the increase.How many of you attend church,and if not why not?,not inc.weddings and funerals.

Chris Pritchard - July 29, 2006 07:41 PM (GMT)
The last time I went to church was back in May for a Christening in Sheffield.

I did start attending a spiritualist church for a while on a Sunday evening but I've not done that for a while.

As for the reason why not, I don't know is the honest answer, but its probably because nobody else I know goes.

s.g.d. - July 29, 2006 07:47 PM (GMT)
I only do hatches,matches and dispatches.

I think that being a good person and treating all people/animals etc with respect is more important than going to church once a week and then being pious about it is.

I think that religion is there as a crutch,keep your nose clean and help others and you can probably stand without it.

s.g.d.

Proud Salopian - July 29, 2006 08:43 PM (GMT)
I'm an athiest.

Churches though, well the historic and/or the interesting ones, should be maintained as part of our heritage.

I'm sure in a 100 years time some of the early mosques (ie. the ones being built now/recently) will be seen as heritage too!

All part of an evolving Britain. And who's to say that many of the Muslims in this country won't slowly become athiest either, as the generations go by?

Redsquirrel - July 29, 2006 08:53 PM (GMT)
Over 70% of people in Britain class themselves as Christians but of course not all are regular church-goers.
I'm not sure why the number of those who regularly attend church has declined so much over the last few decades - Maybe people are losing faith in the institution of the church - rather than the Christian faith itself.

Personally, I think the Cof E is suffering from a bit of an identity crises right now - where as Islam and muslims don't appear to have the same hang-ups. -maybe that's partly why Islam is now the world's fastest growing religion.

Proud Salopian - July 29, 2006 08:59 PM (GMT)
And because, quite frankly and truthfully, the Islamic world breed like rabbits, while the Western world, well, doesn't.

And 70% of the UK population are not Christians. They may come from a Christian background, they may celebrate Christmas (by giving presents to each other by a tree, surrounded by random fancy decoration, with the odd chocolate stain, with the smell of x-mas pud wafting around, and not a sign of religion) but they're not really Christians.

I think I read somewhere that there are now almost as many practising Muslims as practising Christians in the UK. Doesn't surprise me, despite the fact that only 3% of the population is Muslim!

Redsquirrel - July 29, 2006 09:03 PM (GMT)
Whether you're a christian or not - it must be recognised that Christianity forms a large part of the bedrock of British society. It makes up a large part of our cultural identity and much of our freedom and democracy is based around it.

Proud Salopian - If things continue the way that they're going - in far less than 100 years from now, Britain could very well end up an Islamic state and the C of E will not even exist.

Proud Salopian - July 29, 2006 09:05 PM (GMT)
It's possible, but then maybe the Islamic faith will actually weaken inside a western nation such as Britain, in much the same way as Christianity has done? That is of course assuming that there will be greater integration, especially in the northern cities, between the Muslim and the non-Muslim British.

Redsquirrel - July 29, 2006 09:09 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Proud Salopian @ Jul 29 2006, 08:59 PM)
And because, quite frankly and truthfully, the Islamic world breed like rabbits, while the Western world, well, doesn't.

And 70% of the UK population are not Christians. They may come from a Christian background, they may celebrate Christmas (by giving presents to each other by a tree, surrounded by random fancy decoration, with the odd chocolate stain, with the smell of x-mas pud wafting around, and not a sign of religion) but they're not really Christians.

I think I read somewhere that there are now almost as many practising Muslims as practising Christians in the UK. Doesn't surprise me, despite the fact that only 3% of the population is Muslim!

According the 2001 census 70% of Britons do see themselves as Christians. -whether or not they attend church on a regular basis.Does 'practising' have to mean attending church?

You're right, there are roughly as many muslims who attend Friday prayers as there are christians who attend church on Sunday.

Redsquirrel - July 29, 2006 09:38 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Proud Salopian @ Jul 29 2006, 09:05 PM)
It's possible, but then maybe the Islamic faith will actually weaken inside a western nation such as Britain, in much the same way as Christianity has done? That is of course assuming that there will be greater integration, especially in the northern cities, between the Muslim and the non-Muslim British.

I suppose that is possible - but then again it took our ancestors centuries to 'tame' christianity.
There's been a sharp increase in immigration into Britain from Islamic countries in the last few years - many of these countries are quite hardline religious societies.

The Concepts and Doctrine Centre at the Ministry of Defence has just completed a study on the outlook for world security over the next thirty years - and it's conclusion looks pretty grim.

Rear -Admiral Chris Parry, the country's top expert on future military threats compared today's mass immigration from the Third world with that of the Goths and Vandals wich destroyed Roman civilization.

Do you think that Christianity and Islam can live together side by side? - Looking at other times in history and other parts of the world right now -personally, I'm not too sure

Redsquirrel - July 29, 2006 10:00 PM (GMT)
I will say this for Islamic society though - On the whole it is quite selfless, non materialistic and obviously alot more spirtual. With certain matters - i.e law and punishment - it's straight forward, more simplistic approach, in some ways, make it seem much fairer than that of Western society.

Proud Salopian - July 30, 2006 09:35 AM (GMT)
Yes, but many Islamic nations don't treat women very nicely, do they?

Redsquirrel - July 30, 2006 10:32 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Proud Salopian @ Jul 30 2006, 09:35 AM)
Yes, but many Islamic nations don't treat women very nicely, do they?

You're right many don't - but to be fair some Islamic nations are alot more 'liberal' than others - like Turkey for example.Most muslims all over the world are not hardline followers.They chose to take on the cultural trappings of Koran's message rather than living it out completely.
But this does not represent true Islam - True Islam is more 'by the book' and word for word.

Getting back to Christianity - the high percentage of people in the UK who class themselves as Christians did suprise me - although I wonder how many meant it in a cultural sense rather than a serious devotion to the big man up there.

From what I see, shopping appears to be the main religion for many people in Britain - and celebs such as 'Posh and Becks' are today's deities :)

Proud Salopian - July 30, 2006 12:06 PM (GMT)
Shopaholicism (I think that's a word!) will end when debts reach such a level that half the population go bankrupt... :P

Fortunately for me, I'm not a shopaholic and only buy what I can afford.

jonesy55 - July 30, 2006 11:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Redsquirrel @ Jul 29 2006, 09:09 PM)
According the 2001 census 70% of Britons do see themselves as Christians. -whether or not they attend church on a regular basis.Does 'practising' have to mean attending church?

That includes people like me though I was living with my parents at the time and my dad put me down as christian even though i am certainly not, most people will just put down what their 'heritage' is regardless of whether they believe in the tenets of the religion or not.

jonesy55 - July 30, 2006 11:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (s.g.d. @ Jul 29 2006, 07:47 PM)
I think that religion is there as a crutch,keep your nose clean and help others and you can probably stand without it.

According to Christianity, somebody who keeps their nose clean and helps people all their life will be damned in hell for eternity while a mass murderer who kills hundreds then accepts jesus on his deathbed will go to paradise, seems a bit mean to me, maybe that's one reason I don't like it!

Town_Walls - July 31, 2006 08:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Redsquirrel @ Jul 29 2006, 09:38 PM)
.Rear -Admiral Chris Parry, the country's top expert on future military threats  compared today's mass immigration from the Third world with that of the Goths and Vandals wich destroyed Roman civilization.

Plenty of Vandals still, but there are noticeably fewer Goths around town this year. Has Boots stopped selling black eye-liner?

Redsquirrel - July 31, 2006 08:57 PM (GMT)
Good one - lol. It could be a shortage of black eye-liner or perhaps it's all this sunny weather we've been having lately.

s.g.d. - July 31, 2006 09:13 PM (GMT)
apparently eye-liner or guy liner as it is being called is "in"for men this year.

blame the Kaiser Chiefs,Pete Doherty and Pirates of the Carribean.

so everyone who called me names now know that I was just 20 years ahead of my time :D

s.g.d.




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