If anyone has got something to whinge about,let it all out here.

Chavs. :angry: Need I say any more?

Are Chavs the same as yobs?

Yes.

Yep - yobs, chavs, morons -call them what you will -a major pain in the backside.
Looks like some of them were busy the other night -rucking with a buch of yobs from Bristol.
Bloody idiots!

More than just a whinge -Reading about the horrific murder of Mary Ann Lenaghan.Anyone who can take a young life this way should face the gallows.

People standing for the Union elections are fairly annoying, especially when they try to get your vote dressed as an apple, a potato, an egg, Woody from Toy Story or a Doctor (to name but a few)... I voted for people that didn't dress up stupidly. And also people handing out useless leaflets outside the Union EVERY DAY and forcing them on me even though I really don't care... Argh...

Oh, and coat hangers.

We have enough coal reserves to last another hundred years,so why do we have to import oil and gas from abroad?

Also i am sick and tired of tv soaps trying to force things down our necks.

PEOPLE WHO VIEW BUT DONT JOIN IN.

Even the Severn Valley Railway uses imported coal!

This annoys me hugely, for a wide range of reasons, especially when we are told that nuclear is the only way the Britain can provide for its energy needs in the next few decades.

I am passionately concerned about the environment, global warming, acid rain, etc. but 1. we could do other things to cut our carbon emissions rather than cut out coal, like moving more freight by rail; 2. if our coal-fired power stations like Ironbridge weren't such antiques the emissions problem would be reduced; 3. using domestic coal and gas creates employment in Britain; 4. it would reduce our reliance of imports from some of the world's less stable regions; 5. it would reduce the risk of oil spills; and 6. it would stop us from being dependent on encouraging dirty and unsafe open-cast and deep mines in Poland and Russia.

Agree with all of the above.

where does the word chav originate from?

Have you guys all got coal powered cars or something??

There may be loads of coal left but the reason it isn't being dug out is that it's too expensive to get at. We got all of the easy stuff years ago.

We probably have lots of peat too and we could also chop down the new forest to burn but i'd rather import a bit of gas from Norway.

Of course long term we should be moving away from all fossil fuels so I don't think a return to coal on any significant scale would be a positive (or economical) step. We do have the largest wind resources in Europe and some of the highest tides in the world though, that's where we should be looking to invest and get our energy from.

Chavs (from Wikipedia)

There are a large number of synonyms and regional variations of "chav", including "scally", "townie", "ned" "Mallie", "Pikey", and "charva".

It has been suggested that "charva" (or "charv") predates "chav" as a dialect word in North East England (where the term would be used in referring to an unruly young mine-worker) and Edinburgh, Scotland, and that "chav" may be a derivative term; they at least appear to share the same possible etymology in the Romani word "chavi".

The Cockney term chavvy for a baby or toddler has been in use for decades and almost certainly derives from "chavi".

In some regions, Chavs are referred to as "Burbs", given their association with Burberry clothing. The term "ned" is the widely accepted term commonly used throughout Scotland to describe a "chav" and is sometimes explained as an acronym of "non-educated delinquent".

The use of the word "chav" can also be traced to the town of Chatham, Medway in Kent, where the word has been in use for several generations to describe a person on the dole. To be "on the dole" was to be "on the chav". It was a local joke that people from Chatham dressed a certain way and were frequently on the dole, which led to the term "Chatham Chav".

Many folk etymologies have sprung up to explain the origins of the word. These include backronyms such as "Council Housed And Violent" and "Council House Associated Vermin". Another commonly cited false etymology derives from school slang that pupils at Cheltenham Ladies' College supposedly used to describe less desirable young men of the town - "Cheltenham Average" or Ch-av, though the article states that few, if any, were aware of this connection in either the school or the town.

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Thats wrong. I know one of the surveyors who used to work at Hem Heath colliery in Trentham, Stoke on Trent. The coal reserves at Hem Heath were immense. He told me that there was enough coal reserves to last for the next 200 years. The pits were shut down to conserve our coal reserves. My mate George told me that there is enough coal reserves left in this country to last for about 250-300 years at current demand. I believe that the government took a decision to shut down our coal industry and import other countries coal here so as to use up foreign coal reserves first. It will be a mammoth task to re-open these mothballed coal fields in the future but it's sort of nice to know that we have got vast coal reserves beneath our feet. I fully recognise that the mining industry was shut down due to cost and politics as well.

I'm sure there's loads left and maybe improved technology in the future will make it economical to get at. The trouble is that most people (including me :) )are far too soft today to want to go down a pit everyday for 50 years to earn a living, in another 50 years nobody will do it!!

Given the choice of freezing to death or getting paid mega-bucks to mine coal i know what i would do. Now, where did i put my pick?

I think we can thank technology jonesy for people not having to do such tedious dangerous jobs, my grandfather was a miner in yorkshire. Reference to people being too soft, not sure about that, I know the jobs arent there but there are still dangerous jobs people still do today, trawlermen,oil riggers, civil construction work,to name but a few. i think its the'mambey-pambey' 'nanny' state with impossible to grasp risk assessments that makes people soft. Hey theres another whinge !